Aqua Taskforce

Watchful wrote on November 8, 2008, 8:09pm

Unless I'm missing something about what you are saying this is just silly!

There are not two versions of Leopard there is one. This is not windows where you need seperate 32 bit and 64 bit operating systems and applications. Leopard is a fully 32 or 64 bit operating system running either 32 or 64 bit apps.

mojo2012 wrote on November 9, 2008, 2:15pm

Hmm think (search the internet) before you speak and vote!

My Macbook Pro has a 32bit Intel Core Duo CPU. So i run Leopard 32bit. All the binaries are universal --> this means my kexts and binaries run on more system architectures. That does NOT mean I can run a 64bit-only app. And Java 1.6 only available in 64bit binaries --> no universal binaries.

This means, there is NO update for me!

Please change your vote because you voted due to a wrong assumption.

jasper wrote on November 17, 2008, 6:45pm

I don't know - is Java even relevant anymore? And is Apple wrong by not further developing it for aging systems since it costs money and they've got Cocoa, they want to switch developers to that. I'm pretty sure Snow Leopard will run on Macs that are five years old - but those old ones probably can't run it anyway (and iBook barely runs Leopard itself). I'm not sure if Apple should pay development for an API that Microsoft squashed flat - it was competition to Windows, after all...

mojo2012 wrote on November 19, 2008, 7:51am

If I'd known that a few months after I bought my mbp Apple would release 64-bit machines would be available, most certainly I would've waited. But so I just own an outdated model?

Well I don't like java myself. It's slow and mostly looks ugly. But it has its right to be there. It's greate to have one app that runs under windows and on mac. Sometimes this saves quite a lot of time.
And btw, I need it in my studies ...

MicrowaveDave wrote on January 8, 2009, 12:03am

This post at Apple's support website confirms that Java 1.6 is ONLY for 64-bit Intel Macs, not PPC or 32-bit Intel:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1856

Not sure if this'll help you mojo2012, but you can try:
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/

Here's a tutorial about how to install it:
http://www.netbeans.org/kb/61/java/javafx-jdk6-on-32-bit-mac.html

Apple suck with real-world compatibility. Whenever Jobs says he's working on making Mac more cross-platform friendly, the situation always gets worse. In 2000 he said Mac would be the best Java tool on the planet, but in 2009 only the most recent (ie less than a year old!) Mac can use Java 1.6 out of the box. One year old Macs that are still under factory warranty aren't even supported without a third-party hack. Even my ten year old Pentium 3 running WinXP can use Java 1.6. Pretty p*ss-poor effort from Apple.

mojo2012 wrote on January 11, 2009, 10:32am

Thanks microwavedave. I installed soylatte and it's greate. Though it uses X11 and has no mac look-and-feel, at least I'm now able to run the latest java apps.

I don't know how much effort it is to get it running without X11. But a company like Apple should be able to do this. I don't think that java 1.6 depends on software that is only available in 64-bit and therefore can't be ported back. They just don't want to.